Once upon a time, FOSS enthusiasts were so concerned about Microsoft, that they recommended everyone use GMail and Google Apps.

Today the same crowd hates Google, so they recommend $SERVICE instead...

As long as $SERVICE is a provider in the cloud, on somebody else's computer, I'm shaking my head.

Many of the things being recommended are even more proprietary and locked-down than Google's stuff is!

Fighting monopolies is good. But don't lie to yourself that this helps software freedom.

@HerraBRE unless you own your own platform you're going to have the same issues everywhere. That's why I'm not rushing out to sign up for any third party anything. Deliberately going slow so I can find the right self-hosted solutions.

@CrowderSoup It's hard work!

Are you aware of yunohost.org ?

They're trying to make it easier. I haven't used their stuff myself, but I love what they're trying to do.

In some cases, like e-mail, self hosting is almost impossible due to spam filters making everything awful. In such cases, owning your domain and using a standards compliant provider are the best you can hope for, freedom-wise.

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@HerraBRE @CrowderSoup I have self-hosted my email for 20 years now. Over that time it has gotten MUCH easier to manage and today there are great options out there that have gradually made the "hosting email is hard and frustrating" reputation obsolete.

At the same time ISPs have made it more difficult to self host on-premise using spam control as an excuse but also perhaps due to their own self interests, collusion with Google etc.

But you can still push ownership "down the stack" ...

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@HerraBRE @CrowderSoup

... the first step as mentioned before is to own your own domain so you can switch email services without losing your email address, preferably using standards compliant services.

The next step, which is slowly getting more feasible, is to push ownership lower in the stack by hosting your own email service on an affordable VPS. After that (on premise self hosting) it gets more difficult or pricey.

But at least it contains the cloud to the OS level.

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