Silicon Valley is dominated by guys like Zuckerburg who lack this historical perspective and it is sad and a bit dangerous. The only world they know is post-9/11 where valuing privacy is often viewed with suspicion and are taught by those in power that surveillance keeps us safe and secure.
Add to that the only Internet they've ever known is one being monetized almost completely by targeted advertising?
Seems society has failed a whole generation.
@msh At least two generations. The first dotcom bubble tried to do this with portal sites (among other things), and then tried it again with purchase management and online gaming in the second bubble. Seems he learned from their mistakes.
@msh i looked it up and zuckerberg was born in 1984, so he's 3 years younger than me.
17 when 9/11 happened was pretty young, sure, and i grant those are an important 3 years, but i know a whole bunch of people like 3 - 10 years younger than me who have plenty of perspective on this.
i kinda think tech isn't dominated by people who don't know any better so much as it's dominated by people who saw the early net and actively exploited it to create the surveillance situation.
@brennen That cohort definitely saw an opportunity to exploit for sure. But the damage started before that...consider he was barely in his teens during the original dot-com bubble. His first exposure to the 'net was during the gold rush and it was all about staking the biggest claim and landing big deals with VCs and getting to IPO.
When you went from FIDOnet and Citadel BBSes to the Internet using PINE for email and tin to read Usenet posts and FTP and Gopher you have a different take.
@msh Society has failed, or just that "them's the breaks?" If the loss of privacy had happened in a world without 9/11, I could agree that society screwed up somewhere, but what's happened post 9/11 was probably inevitable.
@mdm well you could also argue the very fact 9/11 happened at all was another failure of society too.
It definitely was a catalyst. People accepted the loss of privacy in exchange for the promise of safety, then it just evolved into accepting the loss of privacy for the promise of free stuff. But I think there were failings before that and it just accelerated the trend.
Aye. It is very frustrating. I find it amusing when people who claim to be liberals treat me like I am crazy for saying all civil/human rights are important and are a mutual interlocking dependency.
Not only is it lacking historical perspective, but a level of social and stats perspective that leads them to being painfully risk adverse, thinking some how that safety is something other than what one provides ones self. Once outsrcd, what ever it is outsrced to is the biggest threat.
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