Why are programmers not called "engineers" when they are making video games, but only when they're making websites?

@JordiGH Devaluing of the same work when it's done for an entertainment/art product?

@ink_slinger Maybe! Or maybe overvaluing the other one, I don't know.

I want "engineer" to be a licensed profession, with regulations and a code of ethics.

@JordiGH That's a good point. And, actually, engineer *is* a licensed profession (albeit a self-governed one). Are computer engineers licensed and regulated in the same way as, say, mechanical engineers? As far as I know, they aren't, but I may be wrong about that. Why are they even allowed to use the word?

@ink_slinger And there has been rare enforcement of the term "engineer" in Canada, but last I heard about it was in Québec, 16 years ago. I think the term "engineer" has been bandied about since then without a lot of enforcement.

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@JordiGH I didn't realize it wasn't regulated in the US.

@ink_slinger I know, that's so nuts to me. FREEDOM!!

It's as crazy to me as having anyone go and say they're a physician or a lawyer, with nobody checking up on their credentials.

@JordiGH On the other hand, you have things like retired engineers basically selling their stamp to anyone willing to pay, as if it's totally fine for a retired chemical engineer to stamp plans for a suspension bridge or something. Of course, because it's regulated in Canada, that could come back to badly bite that person in the ass if the bridge collapses.

@ink_slinger Really, I didn't know chemical engineers were stamping bridges for money. That's another problem.

I actually took an engineering ethics course in university, despite not becoming an engineer. They made a big deal about the iron ring and how its sound of scratching on paper as you sign was supposed to remind you of your duty to society.

@JordiGH I don't think it's common. And it's definitely not ethical. But it happens.

@ink_slinger @JordiGH mmmmm engineer here (EIT) registered with APEGA, ask me anything. For what it's worth chemical engineers can't just stamp off on a bridge, much less retired ones. If you retire you are no longer registered with your engg org, and you wouldn't be able to practice.

And if you have evidence of someone misrepresenting the profession do share because APEGA and related orgs have the ability to take action on stuff like that.

@thatgeoguy @JordiGH Not formally retired, I suppose, because they still have an active stamp. I don't have personal evidence of anything, just stories I've heard from engineers. Might be more US type stories. Not sure, to be honest. (ChemE stamping a bridge is probably hyperbole; but CivilE stamping a bridge he had nothing to do with? Bad but technically legal, right)

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@ink_slinger @JordiGH I don't know if it's bad. A Civil Engg stamping on a bridge they didn't work on isn't great, but it depends on the context. If they review the work themselves then there isn't a problem if they're an independent contractor or not.

If they don't review it and rubber stamp, well, that's not great. But the stamp is also them putting their ass on the line, and the legal liability associated with that isn't worth it.

@thatgeoguy @ink_slinger All I wish is that Facebook "engineers" also faced legal liability for stamping features like that one time they experimented on unwitting people's emotions.

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