@ink_slinger @JordiGH Yeah, each province encodes a single organization with the authority to self-govern engineering in that province. It's nationalized in that sense. You can't make up your own standards body and then say "screw you APEGA we have our own club now."
This is to prevent e.g. big companies (oil&gas) from making their own "standards bodies" with their own "code of ethics" that run counter to the point of having an engineering practice in the first place.
Based on every interaction / class / document I've ever read from APEGA though, this isn't really a conflict until it you make it a conflict.
@ink_slinger @JordiGH Perhaps he was attempting to start / join a union that was meant to take the place of a professional engineering ethics body? That's not allowed. Your union does not overrule your obligation to APEGA, and you cannot replace APEGA with another union / organization. That's codified into law.
But there hasn't been a case of APEGA coming down on people for joining the Alberta Union of Provincial Employees (AUPE). I mean, I was a member myself once upon a time!
@JordiGH @ink_slinger It's understandable because classically controlling words and titles is a way to disenfranchise women or people of colour and keep them out of the workplace. Doctors has a very strong risk of malpractice, but calling yourself a web engineer doesn't pose the same individual risk, so it is perceived differently.
It's also a means to kickstart careers in Silicon Valley. Nobody trusts "guy who dropped out of high school who works in his garage" but they do trust an engineer.
In no way does this forbid unions, just lays out your priorities in your work. It says nothing about unions. Going back to Chem engg stamping a bridge for a Civil project, see the second rule in the code of ethics in section 3.2, which translated from legalese is: "stay in your lane bro." :)
The thing that is frustrating is people who take a one week coding bootcamp and feel they can call themselves engineers.
It is also frustrating that explaining why the practice should be regulated and the word should be protected makes you look like some kind of word nazi and people accuse you of gatekeeping.
@ink_slinger @JordiGH I don't know if it's bad. A Civil Engg stamping on a bridge they didn't work on isn't great, but it depends on the context. If they review the work themselves then there isn't a problem if they're an independent contractor or not.
If they don't review it and rubber stamp, well, that's not great. But the stamp is also them putting their ass on the line, and the legal liability associated with that isn't worth it.
@ink_slinger @JordiGH I also now work in America where everyone is an engineer for whatever reason and it is frustrating, because the regulation of the practice keeps public confidence in engineering.
But I think there's a lot of myths out there about what APEGA is and what they do. If you haven't gone through the classes or registered through them, you probably misunderstand some of how this works.
@ink_slinger @JordiGH mmmmm engineer here (EIT) registered with APEGA, ask me anything. For what it's worth chemical engineers can't just stamp off on a bridge, much less retired ones. If you retire you are no longer registered with your engg org, and you wouldn't be able to practice.
And if you have evidence of someone misrepresenting the profession do share because APEGA and related orgs have the ability to take action on stuff like that.
@ink_slinger Sorry to hear that man. 😕
I get you on the thin line thing though. I will admit that I found myself at that cross roads too and had I not had the right friends (or people to tell me I'm dumb or turning into a jerk) I might be very different.
That said, this is why I loved volunteering and teaching judo. It was a very good medium for a lot of kids to look at interacting with other men not as anger and violence but as mastery and self-control. Something I kind of wish I had.
@puzzled I'm more worried about the ones who aren't going to be here in a few years to gloat about it
@tessaracked it is one in the morning and I'm starting at a Carly Rae meme about frogs.
And yet, this ranks among one of the higher points in life for me right now.
@drwho only when I transition from one room to another room.
@setup fuck me up fam
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@kai I mean aside from the basic recipe?
2 shots whiskey (usually rye)
1 shot simple syrup
2-3 dashes of bitters (angostura preferred)
Then when pouring always pour over a single large ice cube rather than many small ones (surface area, also only if on the rocks), and twist and fold the orange peel a bit before putting it in the drink.
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